• Question: Do you harm animals in your work?

    Asked by yuthicasingh to Lyn, Katy, Paul, PB, Ruth on 14 Jun 2013. This question was also asked by chimbo131, vijushanth2.
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      Peter Balfe answered on 14 Jun 2013:


      This is the sort of question we dread.
      Personally no, but I work with people who do and defend their work as vital.

      The answer comes in several levels.
      First, you can answer your question “yes”, but then you’re just some evil freak, so you can’t say that.

      Second you can answer “sort of”, but then you’re a mealy mouthed politician.

      Third you can answer “yes, but…”, and then you have to hope they listen to the “but…”.

      Here’s the “but…”
      Most lab animals only exist because we need them for something, indeed these days most lab animals only exist because we “made” them! Weird eh?

      Until about 2004 use of lab animals (by which we mean mice 95% of the time) had shown a welcome long term decline. Since then the numbers have gone back up again. Why?

      The reason is the human genome project and the birth of transgenics, the ability to make targeted changes to an animal (mouse) to model human diseases. Want to treat cystic fibrosis? Make an animal model by putting the human genes into a mouse and work on curing it there.

      Much of the huge progress in areas like cancer treatment come from discoveries made using these wee beasties, to which we owe a huge debt.

      Sorry to write such a long answer, but never expect a scientist to answer a tough question like yours with a short one!

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      Ee Lyn Lim answered on 14 Jun 2013:


      Sadly I’ll have to say yes. This is a very difficult question to answer, not least because there are so many ways to look at it. I’ll tell you why I personally believe it is the right thing to do, and above that, what steps we take to make sure that no animal we work on ever goes to waste, or suffers unnecessarily.

      Animals are necessary in many areas of research because they allow us to study things that can’t be studied in humans. For example, cancer cells from a human patient often contain so many mutations that it’s impossible to tell what’s causing which effect. Using mice, we can change one gene at a time and learn what each of them do, so we can point out the main culprit behind the cancer and design a drug against it. Even at that stage we only know for sure that a drug does what we want it to do if it’s worked in a mouse. Many mice are involved in answering each question, but the results could help just as many human patients. In some rare, wonderful cases, we can use data we learned from mice years ago to treat a new disease in humans – this has happened in my department, where doctors have come asking about a patient with a serious lung infection and given only 3 weeks to live – and we have been able to say, we had some mice which were ill in the same way, so we think he might have this mutation, and this drug might work to cure him.

      Many people believe, though, that we shouldn’t use animals to achieve things we can’t achieve by ourselves, because the life of a mouse is as valuable as the life of a human. Of course that is true and good. But the question then is, should we allow other humans to die of injury and disease, while we know that we are able to find a cure? There is no correct answer to this dilemma, and you can only decide for yourself which path to choose, and why. I believe that humans are just one species among all the species of living things in the world, and that, as a member of this species, I should do everything I can to help this species survive. Maybe it seems unfair to use modern technology against animals, but human intellect is also a product of nature, and there is no reason not to use it to the best effect. Maybe it seems unfair to put a human life above a mouse’s, but I don’t have the power to save both…and I am not a mouse.

      Now that I’ve decided how I feel about working with animals, I make sure that my work does as little harm as possible to the animals. Here in Europe there are three strict principles that we must follow when we design experiments that use animals – we must replace animals with other models (like cells in a dish) if that will give us equal results, we must reduce the number of animals used to the bare minimum, and we must refine our experiments to cause the least discomfort possible. Everything about the animals, like how big their cages should be or how they should be held during the experiment, has had a lot of thought from people who study animal behaviour, so that we try to be as considerate as we can possibly be.

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      Katy Brown answered on 14 Jun 2013:


      I don’t harm any animals myself – I use samples from animals which died naturally, samples which were taken for medical reasons, or, most often, where these are not available, poo samples!
      However, like the other scientists who’ve answered so far, I do agree with using animals in science when this is the best or only way to do the research. The data I use is often only available because of animal tests carried out by other people. If animals were not used a huge amount of research would not be possible, and modern medicine would be very different. As PB said, nearly all animals used in research are bred for that purpose and would not exist otherwise. There are lots of laws making sure that the animals do not suffer and are treated as well as possible.

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      Ruth Mitchell answered on 17 Jun 2013:


      Because humans are so complex and so many things are working together inside you, there are certain things that you can’t learn from just looking at cells in a culture dish and so we use animals. But the government has very strict rules on how they are to be kept and treated and if you don’t stick to them, your lab could be shut down.

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      Paul Waines answered on 27 Jun 2013:


      @yuthicasingh-

      as part of my work as a microbiologist, I sometimes work with fish, and we operate within very strict (and I mean strict) rules.

      The fishes welfare during an experiment is always the main priority, and we are looking to increase growth in various ways for fish farming , so they are well fed!

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